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The fact that they told Chabot to get a place in Ottawa is extremely positive. It finally show some kind of commitment.

Trade Karlsson would be stupid for two reasons.
#1. The return for him would have to be so stupid they'd have too.
#2. Given how bad his leadership has been this year, that is an opportunity to move forward in a positive way, commit to winning a cup and get a bit of a discount for him.

I think 65 will get a hat tonight,he will probably be fired up now that the gossip has hit mainstream gossipers.

I think a contract at 14mill for the first 4 years . Then 4mill for last 5 years would be good. That way he gets recognized as an elite but helps the Sens when his skill level starts to drop

I'm still against and think it would be silly to move Erik Karlsson, but depending on the salary he will resign for, moving him might be the smartest move. I say this because if Tavares gets 13,14,15 mill this summer, what does the make Karlsson's worth? Just food for thought really. I'm comfortable having this organization shell out upwards of 12 mill for Erik, but anymore than that it's a dangerous game, unless the cap goes up quickly and new ownership is in place.

I'm still against and think it would be silly to move Erik Karlsson, but depending on the salary he will resign for, moving him might be the smartest move. I say this because if Tavares gets 13,14,15 mill this summer, what does the make Karlsson's worth? Just food for thought really. I'm comfortable having this organization shell out upwards of 12 mill for Erik, but anymore than that it's a dangerous game, unless the cap goes up quickly and new ownership is in place.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I'm actually thinking closer to $10 Million per season. He hasn't giving us the leadership we need and he is in his prime now, so his play will only get worse moving forward in a few years.

Plus we have to keep an extra few million to be able to ice a competitive team.

I don't like Crosby at all, but I will give him credit, he took a bit of a discount to play and give the team a chance to sign a competitive roster and it's worked out well for him and the team. Karlsson should do the same.

I'm still against and think it would be silly to move Erik Karlsson, but depending on the salary he will resign for, moving him might be the smartest move. I say this because if Tavares gets 13,14,15 mill this summer, what does the make Karlsson's worth? Just food for thought really. I'm comfortable having this organization shell out upwards of 12 mill for Erik, but anymore than that it's a dangerous game, unless the cap goes up quickly and new ownership is in place.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I would not be against moving him if the return is correct. I do not think 10 mill gets it done unless it is a 8-10 year contract. That would devastate Ottawa in about 4-5 years.
Its crazy when we throw around these numbers,personally i do not think any professional athlete deserves more then 5 million per season.But this is the virtual reality of the sports world and it just enhances the need for better ownership

I would not be against moving him if the return is correct. I do not think 10 mill gets it done unless it is a 8-10 year contract. That would devastate Ottawa in about 4-5 years.
Its crazy when we throw around these numbers,personally i do not think any professional athlete deserves more then 5 million per season.But this is the virtual reality of the sports world and it just enhances the need for better ownership
- spazzbot

I've always thought the NHL should put a cap on how long contracts can go. Like say 3-5 years max.

This would make the trade deadline way more interesting, and teams wouldn't be on the hook if a player doesn't workout.

I'm actually thinking closer to $10 Million per season. He hasn't giving us the leadership we need and he is in his prime now, so his play will only get worse moving forward in a few years.

Plus we have to keep an extra few million to be able to ice a competitive team.

I don't like Crosby at all, but I will give him credit, he took a bit of a discount to play and give the team a chance to sign a competitive roster and it's worked out well for him and the team. Karlsson should do the same.
- Maverick1818

He's costing you at least 12 million........

You guys say he is the best player in the NHL but then you say he won't get paid like one. Hillarious

He's costing you at least 12 million........

You guys say he is the best player in the NHL but then you say he won't get paid like one. Hillarious
- Santo_44

I have never ever said he is the best player in the NHL. I absolutely think he is the best D in the NHL. I think $10 Million is a good starting point. That's more than most nhl players and gives room for his decline in play and being able to ice a competitive team.

But i'd also say the more he makes, the shorter the term

I have never ever said he is the best player in the NHL. I absolutely think he is the best D in the NHL. I think $10 Million is a good starting point. That's more than most nhl players and gives room for his decline in play and being able to ice a competitive team.

But i'd also say the more he makes, the shorter the term
- Maverick1818

In two years when the cap goes up ?

12x8 and nothing less

Wow. Some of the comments in this thread.... Just wow.

I promise not all of us Sens fans are this diluted.

Few points regarding a few posts:

- Contracts can't be over 8 years.
- Can't say he is the best D in the game and not expect to pay for it.
- Crosby never really took a discount. He signed his long term deal at a different time when contracts were lower, cap was lower.
- You can't have your cake and eat it too. Karlsson is at least getting 12 mill. I can swallow that. You'd need to move around money asap tho. Anymore, you gotta consider moving him.
- He's a superstar having an off year. It happens. Will have next to no barring on his future contract.

If I am Dorion, I try my best to get him at 12 mill per and try to move wasted money from the bottom of the lineup. Roughly, the Sens need about 9-10 million extra to resign Karlsson and Stone long term.

Moving Smith and Pag frees a little over 6. Take into account around 2 mill to replace those guys with AHLers, that about 4 mill. That's good enough for Stone for next year.

The season following Brassard 5 mill could be gone (Brown, White, etc ready to take on 2nd line roles?). Burrows 2 mill will be gone. That's about 7 mill. Give or take another 2-3 mill to replace those guys. You have 4 mill to give Karlsson a raise. Now you just have to hope Eugene adds a little more to the payroll with the inevitable increasing cap or be able to move a goalie and replace them with a much cheaper alternative.

Duchene is also in there for a contract, but i don't think he will get more than 7 mill.

I don't think all of this is easy, but it's not as impossible as some would lead you to believe.

This team hasn't been smart with money in the bottom half of the lineup. Being more careful there can help. Sucks we have the Dion and Bobby contracts, but it is what it is.

I do think at some point along the line, Eugene will bite and sell to someone who gives a crap. That would be the best thing for everyone.

Few points regarding a few posts:

- Contracts can't be over 8 years.
- Can't say he is the best D in the game and not expect to pay for it.
- Crosby never really took a discount. He signed his long term deal at a different time when contracts were lower, cap was lower.
- You can't have your cake and eat it too. Karlsson is at least getting 12 mill. I can swallow that. You'd need to move around money asap tho. Anymore, you gotta consider moving him.
- He's a superstar having an off year. It happens. Will have next to no barring on his future contract.

If I am Dorion, I try my best to get him at 12 mill per and try to move wasted money from the bottom of the lineup. Roughly, the Sens need about 9-10 million extra to resign Karlsson and Stone long term.

Moving Smith and Pag frees a little over 6. Take into account around 2 mill to replace those guys with AHLers, that about 4 mill. That's good enough for Stone for next year.

The season following Brassard 5 mill could be gone (Brown, White, etc ready to take on 2nd line roles?). Burrows 2 mill will be gone. That's about 7 mill. Give or take another 2-3 mill to replace those guys. You have 4 mill to give Karlsson a raise. Now you just have to hope Eugene adds a little more to the payroll with the inevitable increasing cap or be able to move a goalie and replace them with a much cheaper alternative.

Duchene is also in there for a contract, but i don't think he will get more than 7 mill.

I don't think all of this is easy, but it's not as impossible as some would lead you to believe.

This team hasn't been smart with money in the bottom half of the lineup. Being more careful there can help. Sucks we have the Dion and Bobby contracts, but it is what it is.

I do think at some point along the line, Eugene will bite and sell to someone who gives a crap. That would be the best thing for everyone.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think if the league limited contracts to 5 years Maximum, it would make for a much more exciting trade deadline and give teams more safety against players signing huge contracts and then doing nothing.

Yes he is the best D in the world and I absolutely think he should get paid. I said $10 million was a starting point, not the ending point.

Crosby and Malkin both did, at a time when Ovi signed a massive contract, Toews and Kane as well. Crosby and Malkin both could have gotten a few million more but they didn't.

It absolutely matters that he is having an off year. This should be his prime year and he is the captain, his play effects the team.

I think $12 Million is fair but I'd still start at $10 Million give his off year and that he is going to be declining for most of the rest of his career and see where the conversation goes from there.

But the longer the term, the lower I'd go.

I think if the league limited contracts to 5 years Maximum, it would make for a much more exciting trade deadline and give teams more safety against players signing huge contracts and then doing nothing.

Yes he is the best D in the world and I absolutely think he should get paid. I said $10 million was a starting point, not the ending point.

Crosby and Malkin both did, at a time when Ovi signed a massive contract, Toews and Kane as well. Crosby and Malkin both could have gotten a few million more but they didn't.

It absolutely matters that he is having an off year. This should be his prime year and he is the captain, his play effects the team.

I think $12 Million is fair but I'd still start at $10 Million give his off year and that he is going to be declining for most of the rest of his career and see where the conversation goes from there.

But the longer the term, the lower I'd go.
- Maverick1818

It does not matter......How can you say he is the best defensmen in the NHL, but him having a down year effects his deal? That makes no sense. If he is the best D in the NHL he will get paid like the best D in the NHL. End of story.

Karlsonn laughs at 10 million. He said publicly that he isnt taking a discount....He said he will go to the market and get the money he wants. Teams will be lining up for 13-14 million a year if it means they can sign the "best D in the NHL" like you said.

And it does not matter that he will be declining....Every damn UFA will decline in the end of their contract. It has no effect on what they will get paid. Karlsonn is not a special case.

It does not matter......How can you say he is the best defensmen in the NHL, but him having a down year effects his deal? That makes no sense. If he is the best D in the NHL he will get paid like the best D in the NHL. End of story.

Karlsonn laughs at 10 million. He said publicly that he isnt taking a discount....He said he will go to the market and get the money he wants. Teams will be lining up for 13-14 million a year if it means they can sign the "best D in the NHL" like you said.

And it does not matter that he will be declining....Every damn UFA will decline in the end of their contract. It has no effect on what they will get paid. Karlsonn is not a special case.
- Santo_44

Here is the problem, Karlsson wants to win.

Teams that can afford Karlsson for the most part don't have the trade value for him and aren't competing for a cup and adding $13-$14 million isn't going to help.

I'd do $12 million but after that I'd look to trade him.

Here is the problem, Karlsson wants to win.

Teams that can afford Karlsson for the most part don't have the trade value for him and aren't competing for a cup and adding $13-$14 million isn't going to help.

I'd do $12 million but after that I'd look to trade him.
- Maverick1818

There are contending teams that can afford him. He will get his money, if OTT isn't willing to give it to him or if Karlsonn just can't feel like he can win under the ownership he is gone.

Here is the problem, Karlsson wants to win.

Teams that can afford Karlsson for the most part don't have the trade value for him and aren't competing for a cup and adding $13-$14 million isn't going to help.

I'd do $12 million but after that I'd look to trade him.
- Maverick1818

It would come down to expiring contracts that year. So a team would let a couple guys go who they'd otherwise keep.

I agree it would be hard, but you would make room for a guy like EK.

Also, depending what direction the Sens go in, there might be a lot of teams with a better chance to win.

How interesting would it be IF Ottawa wins Dahlin

Edit: This would happen in April and Karlsson, Duchene, and Stone contracts coming

How interesting would it be IF Ottawa wins Dahlin
- AlfieisKing

Dalhin Karlsson

Just imagine

(yeah yeah, if he stays)

Dalhin Karlsson

Just imagine

(yeah yeah, if he stays)
- david22

don't forget Chabot

I'd be happy with Boqvist

I think if the league limited contracts to 5 years Maximum, it would make for a much more exciting trade deadline and give teams more safety against players signing huge contracts and then doing nothing.

Yes he is the best D in the world and I absolutely think he should get paid. I said $10 million was a starting point, not the ending point.

Crosby and Malkin both did, at a time when Ovi signed a massive contract, Toews and Kane as well. Crosby and Malkin both could have gotten a few million more but they didn't.

It absolutely matters that he is having an off year. This should be his prime year and he is the captain, his play effects the team.

I think $12 Million is fair but I'd still start at $10 Million give his off year and that he is going to be declining for most of the rest of his career and see where the conversation goes from there.

But the longer the term, the lower I'd go.
- Maverick1818

First, I love the idea of 5 year max long contracts. NHLPA will hate it tho.

The rest, you are massively off base. Contracts change from year to year, from cap to cap. What a guy signed for a season or two ago has no bearing on signings today. Guys like Brassard now gets paid close to the same amount guys like Zetterberg got paid in his prime. Ovechkin was once upon a time the highest paid player in the league. His salary now looks underwhelming to some others out there. With this said, I'm still trying to figure how Crosby and Malkin took discounts when they signed deals several years ago.

Karlsson has won Norris trophies, set records, and pushed his team in the playoffs on his current contract. His play this season will have no affect on negotiations. Sorry. When dealing with guys like Karlsson it isn't a "what have you done for us lately" it is "this is what we can do for you" negotiations. He is a guy 30 other teams would grab in a heartbeat given the opportunity.

Your method of negations is what made Alfie leave town. You don't low ball your franchise player. Would it be nice if Karlsson signed for 10 mill a year? Sure. But he has already said he is going to get paid what he is worth. Any home town discount/pay cut for the cause contracts should never be brought up.

Hmm, which to choose:

1. Win and help make the Leafs playoff chances more interesting.
2. Lose and help with chances of a top 3 draft pick

Can't believe I'm saying it but ... Go Leafs!

Hmm, which to choose:

1. Win and help make the Leafs playoff chances more interesting.
2. Lose and help with chances of a top 3 draft pick

Can't believe I'm saying it but ... Go Leafs!
- sportsdataguy

I think if the league limited contracts to 5 years Maximum, it would make for a much more exciting trade deadline and give teams more safety against players signing huge contracts and then doing nothing.

Yes he is the best D in the world and I absolutely think he should get paid. I said $10 million was a starting point, not the ending point.

Crosby and Malkin both did, at a time when Ovi signed a massive contract, Toews and Kane as well. Crosby and Malkin both could have gotten a few million more but they didn't.

It absolutely matters that he is having an off year. This should be his prime year and he is the captain, his play effects the team.

I think $12 Million is fair but I'd still start at $10 Million give his off year and that he is going to be declining for most of the rest of his career and see where the conversation goes from there.

But the longer the term, the lower I'd go.
- Maverick1818

You may want contracts to be 5 years max but it isn't gonna happen. And you may be right about Crosby and malkin taking a small discount but they also have an owner who is willing to spend to the cap and do whatever it takes to win. The same can't be said about that chode melnyk.

This is a genuinely awful season, but I have to say that the Leafs alternating between being chintzy and looking like an absolute shambles tonight is one of those little silver linings you gotta appreciate.